The "zero point" is the energy fluxuation that occurs within the vacuum of space. Legacy science refers to it as "zero" because it should be motionless; nothing should be there -- but there is. It is often described as a "sea of electrons", which pop into existence then back out again, making the capture of electrons a bit tricky since you never know when they will appear, disappear, or even where the event will happen.
Within the projective geometry model of RS2, the region of the observer appears Euclidean, but the regions beyond any unit boundary appear as the geometric inverse, polar-Euclidean, or commonly called "counterspace". The space/counterspace interaction creates a set of "duals" between the geometric objects within the region. In space, we see a point, but in counterspace, we observe a plane. A planar construct in space is then viewed as a point in counterspace, BUT a line is a line in both regions. This linear intersection, therefore, is the geometry underlying the "zero point" domain.
It makes sense if you consider that the zero point flux is referred to as a "sea of energy". We know from Larson that "energy" is inverse speed, namely t/s. Speed in space is translational; speed in counterspace is rotational. The linear intersection of translation and rotation is the projection of rotation upon a line, or the projection of a line upon a rotation -- namely, linear vibration.
This sea of energy is, therefore, a sea of vibration... not a "zero point" but a "unit line".
In RS2, the first manifestation of motion is the m-positron or c-positron (electron). They are both simply 'rotating units' in counterspace (or countertime), without sufficient magnitude of motion to make any effect outside of their unit time (or unit space) boundaries. Also consider that counterspace is the full geometric inverse of space -- with a plane at zero and a point at infinity (the center). This means that the first displacement of speed is physically located ON the unit boundary, extending inward. Any displacement, even those that do not have sufficient magnitude to have an outside effect, can still be seen at the unit boundary.
Given that we are not actually looking at "zero space" but at "unit space", in a vibrational aspect, one would expect to see a totally stationary system, with the material and cosmic sectors perfectly divided at this sub-atomic level. So how does one account for "fluxuations"?
From observation by experimenters, the zero point is a fluxuating sea of electrons and positrons, winking in and out of existence. But DO they? In RS2, NO. Only the projection upon the measuring instruments is winking in and out, the physical motion, itself, remains constant. The difficulty occurs because of the intersection between space and counterspace -- the resultant linear vibration HAS NO ORIENTATION. Therefore, at times we view it head-on, and see an electron or positron. Other times, when viewed from the side, it appears as a wave. Other times, when viewed end-on, it disappears entirely. But it is NOT the MOTION that disappears! It is the projection of that motion into our coordinate space that disappears.
Based on a new understanding of this "unit line" sea of energy, and the fact that it is the projection that is causing the problems with utilizing it for a source of power -- not the motion itself -- a new approach can be taken to examine the zero point energy devices, determine exactly how they work, and what can be done to eliminate their problems and increase their efficiency.
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So far, I have been thinking of all the different Zero Point systems I have researched, and trying to apply the system you have described.
Thus far, the theory behind the Searl Effect Generator has had the most appeal and realistic application I can come up with.
I am not sure the actual design and build of the generator, would work, but, I have been trying to get my ideas on paper, in a legible format for a different system. It uses the basic, rotating magnet system, but I have never attempted to try and build one of my ideas because I have no way of actually determining whether 15k worth of magnets and materials is going to go down the drain.
So I wonder, if the rotating magnet system creates a tearing force upon space/time does it pervade into time/space? I also wonder if the rotating magnet fields, create a sort of "eddie pool" between s/t and t/s. As you were saying, based on the model you just described, the projection disappears not the motion. Thus it makes me think, well, if the projection keeps winking in and out, isn't it winking in and out of t/s as much as it is in s/t? That thought then takes me to an image of scales, and that it is having trouble choosing, it is still moving (motion does not dissapear) but it gets pulled into s/t at the same time it gets pulled out of t/s and visa versa.
So it seems a matter of creating some sort of balance. But then I wonder whether balance is the key or not, because if nature requires these projections to wink in and out of our perception, then it would be a disrespectful and unnatural thing to balance it. So then I wonder how do we harness this amazing energy? It would seem, a rotating magnetic field, if created and done properly, would create enough of a tear or "pocket" of balance to trap the energy.
I start wondering how effective that would be, though, because it still seems "unnatural" to "trap" it in that sense. So in able to harness it, the energy would have to be "kept moving" to engage in the model you proposed. That is where the rotating magnet system comes in, because you could trap this "linear" motion into a cyclical system like rotating magnets, while keeping it in the torsion pockets that the rotating magnets create.
So honestly the wrong perception is that we are "drawing it in" as most experimenters attempt, the right perception would be to simply "intercept" it, like, sticking a radio antenna out. That system applies to s/t where as the reciprocal would apply to t/s.
Just thinking outloud!
Thus far, the theory behind the Searl Effect Generator has had the most appeal and realistic application I can come up with.
I am not sure the actual design and build of the generator, would work, but, I have been trying to get my ideas on paper, in a legible format for a different system. It uses the basic, rotating magnet system, but I have never attempted to try and build one of my ideas because I have no way of actually determining whether 15k worth of magnets and materials is going to go down the drain.
So I wonder, if the rotating magnet system creates a tearing force upon space/time does it pervade into time/space? I also wonder if the rotating magnet fields, create a sort of "eddie pool" between s/t and t/s. As you were saying, based on the model you just described, the projection disappears not the motion. Thus it makes me think, well, if the projection keeps winking in and out, isn't it winking in and out of t/s as much as it is in s/t? That thought then takes me to an image of scales, and that it is having trouble choosing, it is still moving (motion does not dissapear) but it gets pulled into s/t at the same time it gets pulled out of t/s and visa versa.
So it seems a matter of creating some sort of balance. But then I wonder whether balance is the key or not, because if nature requires these projections to wink in and out of our perception, then it would be a disrespectful and unnatural thing to balance it. So then I wonder how do we harness this amazing energy? It would seem, a rotating magnetic field, if created and done properly, would create enough of a tear or "pocket" of balance to trap the energy.
I start wondering how effective that would be, though, because it still seems "unnatural" to "trap" it in that sense. So in able to harness it, the energy would have to be "kept moving" to engage in the model you proposed. That is where the rotating magnet system comes in, because you could trap this "linear" motion into a cyclical system like rotating magnets, while keeping it in the torsion pockets that the rotating magnets create.
So honestly the wrong perception is that we are "drawing it in" as most experimenters attempt, the right perception would be to simply "intercept" it, like, sticking a radio antenna out. That system applies to s/t where as the reciprocal would apply to t/s.
Just thinking outloud!
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ivoryxs wrote:
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Shear (tearing force) naturally occurs between space and counterspace linkage, because of the inverse geometric difference. See anth.org.uk/NCT/counter.htm for details.
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Problem being that particles in the photon group, like "light" and electrons, do not have any net motions outside their definining units of space or time. Therefore, they are not coupled to a reference system until they interact with something. Protons, atoms and the larger particles all have net motion outside their defining units, and therefore interact geometrically, with the magnitudes of the motions first defining relative distances (affine projection), then as aggregates grow, relative angles between them (metric projection). Our sensory system then refines that into Euclidean projection, with fixed scale and measure.
So we only see the "winking" when we try to observe them. What is needed is a way to get them to interact with the material environment, such that the correct "projection" is made to a stable particle, like an electron in a conductor.
ivoryxs wrote:
When you are working in a "scalar" realm, there really is NO orientation, only magnitude of motion (the cross-ratio of projective geometry).
ivoryxs wrote:
The Searl effect is based on anti-gravity response, not really "free energy". To understand how it works, one must understand what gravity and mass are, and how they are effected by electric and magnetic fields. That might be a good topic of discussion.Thus far, the theory behind the Searl Effect Generator has had the most appeal and realistic application I can come up with.
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The "magnet" is space/time (Larson's time-space... remember the differences between Ra and Larson), and the magnetic field is time/space (non-local, and a rotational domain from our perspective). To add rotation to a rotation would be to increase its dimensionality; as in a disk spinning to give the appearance of a sphere. So by rotation a magnet, you are in essence converting the 2-d magnetic field into a 3-d magnetic field.So I wonder, if the rotating magnet system creates a tearing force upon space/time does it pervade into time/space?
Shear (tearing force) naturally occurs between space and counterspace linkage, because of the inverse geometric difference. See anth.org.uk/NCT/counter.htm for details.
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Obviously, there should be some turbulence, which would have eddies, but I'd need to give it more thought.I also wonder if the rotating magnet fields, create a sort of "eddie pool" between s/t and t/s. As you were saying, based on the model you just described, the projection disappears not the motion.
ivoryxs wrote:
Good observation. True.Thus it makes me think, well, if the projection keeps winking in and out, isn't it winking in and out of t/s as much as it is in s/t?
Problem being that particles in the photon group, like "light" and electrons, do not have any net motions outside their definining units of space or time. Therefore, they are not coupled to a reference system until they interact with something. Protons, atoms and the larger particles all have net motion outside their defining units, and therefore interact geometrically, with the magnitudes of the motions first defining relative distances (affine projection), then as aggregates grow, relative angles between them (metric projection). Our sensory system then refines that into Euclidean projection, with fixed scale and measure.
So we only see the "winking" when we try to observe them. What is needed is a way to get them to interact with the material environment, such that the correct "projection" is made to a stable particle, like an electron in a conductor.
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Non-uniform motion is a displacement, in space or time. Your scale is naturally off-balance. Uniform (aka "unit" or Unity) motion is a balanced scale. Picture a scale slightly off-balance, say 1 "unit" on the 'time' side. Then spin it about it's centerline. Sometimes, the lower half of the scale is on the left (t/s), other times it is on the right (s/t). Other times, you don't see it at all because one is behind the other.That thought then takes me to an image of scales, and that it is having trouble choosing, it is still moving (motion does not dissapear) but it gets pulled into s/t at the same time it gets pulled out of t/s and visa versa.
When you are working in a "scalar" realm, there really is NO orientation, only magnitude of motion (the cross-ratio of projective geometry).
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Consider the principle of a LASER, but using electrons instead of photons, with a medium of the "zero point sea" instead of a gas in a tube.I start wondering how effective that would be, though, because it still seems "unnatural" to "trap" it in that sense. So in able to harness it, the energy would have to be "kept moving" to engage in the model you proposed. That is where the rotating magnet system comes in, because you could trap this "linear" motion into a cyclical system like rotating magnets, while keeping it in the torsion pockets that the rotating magnets create.
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Hmm, you will have to give me some time to think about this...
What really is driving my curiosity mad (and I will take a peak in the Archive to see if I can discover anything) is what you said about the Magnets. Rotating them turns the 2d disk into a 3d magnetic sphere. What happens if we use a 3 dimensional magnet setup? Will it turn that into a 4th dimensional magnetic hyper-sphere? Mmm plenty of food for thought....
What really is driving my curiosity mad (and I will take a peak in the Archive to see if I can discover anything) is what you said about the Magnets. Rotating them turns the 2d disk into a 3d magnetic sphere. What happens if we use a 3 dimensional magnet setup? Will it turn that into a 4th dimensional magnetic hyper-sphere? Mmm plenty of food for thought....
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So basically, we cannot "see" or "observe" electricity, however we can see the EFFECT it has when it interacts with the material world.
Example: An arc between two electrodes, or magnetization of a coil of wire, or using resistance to create light.
I just had a thought....
If sizeable resistance in a circuit (lightbulb, motor, resistor, etc..) can create an interaction of Electricity with the material world (electric arcs, motors, magnetization).
Thus if we apply a similar idea to the ZPS, then can we not atleast be able to see an interaction of this energy and the material world? It is a tough one, because electricity comes from using a resource to generate it. The opposite is the idea of Free energy.
I know, this isn't centered on "free energy" but i'm thinking along the lines of creating something where the ZPS will interact with the material world.
If we can create a device to stimulate that interaction, it would atleast bring us closer to using the ZPS as a SOURCE rather than an ACTION.
Example: An arc between two electrodes, or magnetization of a coil of wire, or using resistance to create light.
I just had a thought....
If sizeable resistance in a circuit (lightbulb, motor, resistor, etc..) can create an interaction of Electricity with the material world (electric arcs, motors, magnetization).
Thus if we apply a similar idea to the ZPS, then can we not atleast be able to see an interaction of this energy and the material world? It is a tough one, because electricity comes from using a resource to generate it. The opposite is the idea of Free energy.
I know, this isn't centered on "free energy" but i'm thinking along the lines of creating something where the ZPS will interact with the material world.
If we can create a device to stimulate that interaction, it would atleast bring us closer to using the ZPS as a SOURCE rather than an ACTION.
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Some time ago I drew a diagram for something I know is electrical/energy in nature but I don't know what it is. I sense it has to do with propulsion or gravity or maybe even time. It was a vision.
It has wiring covered in living crystal? The crystal is supposed to be grown on the wires. I still have the drawing somewhere. Maybe after we move to Stone Haven, I'll have time to go through the boxes and find it.
I was thinking about it last night and wondered if someone would like to work on developing it with me just to see what it is then I read your post and realized there probably are some who would be interested.
It has wiring covered in living crystal? The crystal is supposed to be grown on the wires. I still have the drawing somewhere. Maybe after we move to Stone Haven, I'll have time to go through the boxes and find it.
I was thinking about it last night and wondered if someone would like to work on developing it with me just to see what it is then I read your post and realized there probably are some who would be interested.
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I don't know if you had calculus, but extension space, our 3d realm of width, breadth and height is just the first derivative of scalar motion. Coordinate space does not measure the scalar motion itself, but simply the RELATIONSHIPS between motions.
The scalar view and the coordinate view, are like the objective and functional views of motion. Scalar motion forms the objects (atoms, sub-atomic particles, photons), and their functional relationship (distance, angle and scale) between each other creates our coordinate environment--remembering that there are three layers of projection involved here, affine, metric and Euclidean. And the projection we use is dependent on our method of observation.
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So, there are a number of ways to generate the "free energy" effects. Going the "charge" route thru capacitance, grabbing charges from the zero point, gives you the Searl effect (high voltage, low current). Going the electron pump route thru induction gives you the "N-Machine" (Bruce DePalma) effect (low voltage, high current). Notice the reciprocal relationship?
Then there is the cold electricity route... high voltage, high current, but it operates differently. Instead of having a "positive and negative", we have a "north or south", or more specifically, to use the terms of Wilhelm Reich, "OR" and "DOR" -- ORgone and Deadly ORgone -- basically, a 2nd density form of electricity.
So we've seen the fun that can be associated with free energy devices. They have their material benefits, but also a few drawbacks... like making matter radioactive, producing DOR (the "death ray"), frying neural pathways in life forms... is it really worth the price?
Precisely. Once there is an interaction, you have a defined relationship that now has concepts like angles and distances, so the system of projection can work... this is what Larson called the projection into "extension space", our 3d, coordinate realm.So basically, we cannot "see" or "observe" electricity, however we can see the EFFECT it has when it interacts with the material world.
I don't know if you had calculus, but extension space, our 3d realm of width, breadth and height is just the first derivative of scalar motion. Coordinate space does not measure the scalar motion itself, but simply the RELATIONSHIPS between motions.
The scalar view and the coordinate view, are like the objective and functional views of motion. Scalar motion forms the objects (atoms, sub-atomic particles, photons), and their functional relationship (distance, angle and scale) between each other creates our coordinate environment--remembering that there are three layers of projection involved here, affine, metric and Euclidean. And the projection we use is dependent on our method of observation.
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Most ZPMs use an arc of some type to generate their effects. Even the Tesla coil uses a spark gap oscillator to drive its primary winding. The spark gap doubles as a capacitor, the coil the inductor, producing an LC circuit -- a tuned instrument. Once the system is set into resonance, the "weird effects" are produced.Example: An arc between two electrodes, or magnetization of a coil of wire, or using resistance to create light.
I just had a thought....
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Different effects; magnetic fields occur from the flow of uncharged electrons in a conductor. Light is produced as a byproduct of resistance -- which is resistance to the flow of electrons, which causes a the electrons to dump their charges as photons, producing light and radio waves. Resistors are just infrared light bulbs. Motors are inductive; the electrons flow thru them, producing the magnetic field which does the work.If sizeable resistance in a circuit (lightbulb, motor, resistor, etc..) can create an interaction of Electricity with the material world (electric arcs, motors, magnetization).
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If you think about it, ALL electric generators operate by free energy. They are all geared to take the part of this "sea of energy" that intersects their wiring, and set it into motion--but, for every electron that leaves the generator, another is returned. Nothing new is produced... just recycled. The reason we seldom see unity or over-unity production is because of the losses in the system to heat and magnetism. That is why superconductors are so efficient -- no resistance to the flow of electricity, and virtually no losses.Thus if we apply a similar idea to the ZPS, then can we not atleast be able to see an interaction of this energy and the material world? It is a tough one, because electricity comes from using a resource to generate it. The opposite is the idea of Free energy.
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Consider that we don't actually LOSE electrons from the system; we lose the charges (photons). Logically, if we were to dump ALL the charges on electrons in a conductor, all losses to the system should stop, since there would be nothing to emit. But then don't! That means we are accumulating charges from somewhere else in the system, to replace the losses. Since RS2 lists the electron and positron as a "special case" photon... the Zero Point sea of energy is also a sea of photons, which can replenish the supply.I know, this isn't centered on "free energy" but i'm thinking along the lines of creating something where the ZPS will interact with the material world.
If we can create a device to stimulate that interaction, it would atleast bring us closer to using the ZPS as a SOURCE rather than an ACTION.
So, there are a number of ways to generate the "free energy" effects. Going the "charge" route thru capacitance, grabbing charges from the zero point, gives you the Searl effect (high voltage, low current). Going the electron pump route thru induction gives you the "N-Machine" (Bruce DePalma) effect (low voltage, high current). Notice the reciprocal relationship?
Then there is the cold electricity route... high voltage, high current, but it operates differently. Instead of having a "positive and negative", we have a "north or south", or more specifically, to use the terms of Wilhelm Reich, "OR" and "DOR" -- ORgone and Deadly ORgone -- basically, a 2nd density form of electricity.
So we've seen the fun that can be associated with free energy devices. They have their material benefits, but also a few drawbacks... like making matter radioactive, producing DOR (the "death ray"), frying neural pathways in life forms... is it really worth the price?
Every dogma has its day...
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Can't offer much else, unless we can see what you are talking about. When you find it, please post.
You should scan it in, and post it. Then we can take a look at it and see what it does.Some time ago I drew a diagram for something I know is electrical/energy in nature but I don't know what it is. I sense it has to do with propulsion or gravity or maybe even time. It was a vision.
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Many crystals are grown on core filaments, and technically, crystals do have all the properties of life. They grow, they reproduce, they consume moisture and minerals.It has wiring covered in living crystal? The crystal is supposed to be grown on the wires.
Can't offer much else, unless we can see what you are talking about. When you find it, please post.
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No, I didn't get far into Calc at all, I was barely able to pass Algebra 1 :-/
Arcs, yes, Tesla and his work with scalar waves, as well as Hutchinson's work too.
>Different effects; magnetic fields occur from the flow of uncharged electrons in a conductor. Light is produced as a byproduct of resistance -- which is >resistance to the flow of electrons, which causes a the electrons to dump their charges as photons, producing light and radio waves. Resistors are just >infrared light bulbs. Motors are inductive; the electrons flow thru them, producing the magnetic field which does the work.
Mmm, they are all valid effects though right? Just a way to be able to witness the effects of interaction.
Yes you are right, that basically everything COULD be over unity. But it is nearly impossible to acheive complete over unity with superconductors, as the expense would be too high and there would still be loss of energy putting electricity into action (ie a motor, or lightbulb).
So the answer all these scientists came up with is not to improve the efficiency of the SYSTEM but to draw from a limitless SEA of energy. Like, a battery that never runs out of charge.
But as you said, at what cost! I have begun to think through all of this, the ZPS is a pillar for the reality we exist within. If we start chipping away at that pillar it could at some point become unstable. In addition to that, we have the facts of all the negative traits the utilization of this energy provides.
So I have currently been wondering, 2nd density is the density of polarity, and 3rd is the density of tripartite. Electricity is based SOLELY on POLARITIES, which is a 2nd density funtion. I'm trying to figure out the energy based on tripartites as a 3rd density function....
I am now curious to think that in 3rd density we can still use electricity as a 2nd density function, but when you add that "third dimension" or "third level of density" you get a more complex system. I now have no idea where I could find this 3rd density energy.
You have the + and the - which is completely 2d, it creates an electrical dichotomy of sorts.
Maybe the answer isn't in technology.... maybe it is in nature.... we have crystals.... so many options to explore.
Ahhck well, I will think about this more, I am getting myself lost again.
Trying not to obsess about it ither, as I remember a silly saying from an inventor I had read about: Society is obsessed with technology, to the point that at the end of the day the tractor was still being fixed, when the garden could have been tilled by hand twice.
Arcs, yes, Tesla and his work with scalar waves, as well as Hutchinson's work too.
>Different effects; magnetic fields occur from the flow of uncharged electrons in a conductor. Light is produced as a byproduct of resistance -- which is >resistance to the flow of electrons, which causes a the electrons to dump their charges as photons, producing light and radio waves. Resistors are just >infrared light bulbs. Motors are inductive; the electrons flow thru them, producing the magnetic field which does the work.
Mmm, they are all valid effects though right? Just a way to be able to witness the effects of interaction.
Yes you are right, that basically everything COULD be over unity. But it is nearly impossible to acheive complete over unity with superconductors, as the expense would be too high and there would still be loss of energy putting electricity into action (ie a motor, or lightbulb).
So the answer all these scientists came up with is not to improve the efficiency of the SYSTEM but to draw from a limitless SEA of energy. Like, a battery that never runs out of charge.
But as you said, at what cost! I have begun to think through all of this, the ZPS is a pillar for the reality we exist within. If we start chipping away at that pillar it could at some point become unstable. In addition to that, we have the facts of all the negative traits the utilization of this energy provides.
So I have currently been wondering, 2nd density is the density of polarity, and 3rd is the density of tripartite. Electricity is based SOLELY on POLARITIES, which is a 2nd density funtion. I'm trying to figure out the energy based on tripartites as a 3rd density function....
I am now curious to think that in 3rd density we can still use electricity as a 2nd density function, but when you add that "third dimension" or "third level of density" you get a more complex system. I now have no idea where I could find this 3rd density energy.
You have the + and the - which is completely 2d, it creates an electrical dichotomy of sorts.
Maybe the answer isn't in technology.... maybe it is in nature.... we have crystals.... so many options to explore.
Ahhck well, I will think about this more, I am getting myself lost again.
Trying not to obsess about it ither, as I remember a silly saying from an inventor I had read about: Society is obsessed with technology, to the point that at the end of the day the tractor was still being fixed, when the garden could have been tilled by hand twice.