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Discussion concerning the first major re-evaluation of Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System of theory, updated to include counterspace (Etheric spaces), projective geometry, and the non-local aspects of time/space.
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"Time" for a change of aspect... to the other side of space. I dug this out of J.E. Cirlot's "A Dictionary of Symbols", which is how time was viewed, historically, and starts out by showing how related time and space are:

J.E. Cirlot wrote:
Time: Berthelot has noted that the time-pattern usually follows from the division of space, and this applies most particularly to the week. It was indeed the awareness of the seven directions of Space (that is, two for each of the three dimensions plus the centre) that gave rise to the projection of the septenary order into time. Sunday—the day of rest—corresponds to the center and, since all centers are linked with the ‘Centre’ of the Divine Source, is there for sacred in character. The idea of rest is expressive of the notion of the immobility of the ‘Centre’, whereas the other Directions are dynamic in character. At the same time, the ‘Centre’ of space and time also retains a spiritual significance. As Elkin has said, ‘It must not be thought that the mythic era is now past: it is also the present and the future, as much a state as a period.’

Corresponding in the strictest sense, to this zone within the circle, the ‘Centre’, is spacelessness and timelessness, or the non-formal, or, in short, the ‘mystic nothingness’ which, in oriental thought, is the hole in the Chinese disk of jade called Pi, representing heaven. As Eliade notes, in illo tempore everything was possible—species and forms were not fixed but ‘fluid’. He goes on to point out that a return to this state implies the cessation of time. The idea that time—the week—derives from the space-pattern ought strictly to be discarded in favour of the notion that both time and space are the outcome of one and the same principle.
The "one and the same principle" is what Larson calls motion and in more generic terms, ratio.

We've seen that space has 7 directions (counting center, but omitting infinity) and that time has 7 directions (Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday) but they are seen linearly, without the 3-dimensional distribution as we see in space with North, South, East, West, Up, Down and Center. It is this linearity that shows how we view time as a scalar--a magnitude only--3 days either side of the center, Sunday (Sun's Day), giving an offset of + or - 3 days.

In most countries and religions, Sunday is considered the first day of the week, day #1 -- the day of Unity, which in the Reciprocal System, is the Natural datum--the origin of the system of scalar motion. From this, we can deduce the 3-dimensional nature to Time, because of the similar, but opposite, magnitudes:

+/- 1: Saturday (Saturn's Day) == Monday (Moon's Day)

+/- 2: Friday (Frigg's Day) == Tuesday (Tyr's Day)

+/- 3: Thursday (Thor's Day) == Wednesday (Wotan's Day)

Not sure how these may correlate to the cardinal directions, if they do at all. We get the spatial directions relative to the rotational axis of the Earth: East is the direction of rotation, west the opposite, North is the "right-hand rule", South is the "left-hand rule". In order to get temporal "directions", there would need to be a similar system of reference.

Time in the Reciprocal System would actually consider these "directions" to be polar--rotations, or more specifically, "imaginary" numbers, normally represented by the operators, iX, jY and kZ (where i, j, and k are the square root of -1). Each rotation would then have 2 orientations, CW and CCW, giving the 6 basic temporal directions.

Recognizing that both time and space can be viewed two different ways, as a "scalar" (magnitude), or "coordinate" (3 dimensional) is important to understanding RS concepts. Space has its scalar magnitude as distance; it's coordinate magnitudes as width, height and depth. Time has its scalar magnitude as "clock time", but its coordinate magnitudes are not normally experienced, so this tends to be the conceptual problem area.

"Time", as the work week, is based on the number of man, 5, and has its center in the "hump day" of Wednesday. I think it is easy to see how, in this case, Monday and Friday are inverses of each other!
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bperet wrote:
Recognizing that both time and space can be viewed two different ways, as a "scalar" (magnitude), or "coordinate" (3 dimensional) is important to understanding RS concepts. Space has its scalar magnitude as distance; it's coordinate magnitudes as width, height and depth. Time has its scalar magnitude as "clock time", but its coordinate magnitudes are not normally experienced, so this tends to be the conceptual problem area.
Exactly. Units, like scalar magnitudes and coordinates are spatial interpretations - only one half or one side of the available picture - the cartesian or quanitative bias.

Time can also be expressed in cycles. The scalar view is continual change, a cycle. If it is not difficult enough to conceive of spatial coordinates as extended space, the "coordinate" experience of time can be seen as an "extension" of continual change. That is, continual change across time. If you were to "follow" time, it would be like a feedback loop, or a fractal, or any self-referencing dynamic. We "see" time by creating an artificial sequence of events, where each event is part of an ongoing unfolding or unrolling process. The conceptual problem with time is due to its inherent continuity and wholeness (no parts). With time (as a quality), there are no "events" or "units" unless you impose a spatial reference system - either scalar or coordinate.
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Hi Friends,

It is nice to see the discussions!

bperet wrote:

+/- 1: Saturday (Saturn's Day) == Monday (Moon's Day)

+/- 2: Friday (Frigg's Day) == Tuesday (Tyr's Day)

+/- 3: Thursday (Thor's Day) == Wednesday (Wotan's Day)
Looks like the speed ranges to me... low, intermediate, and high.

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Time can also be expressed in cycles.
The reason I think is one of the main properties of reciprocity...

In the polar coordinates of Time, the value of coordinate is an 'angle'. Hence, just like our Space view has three infinitely extending lines as axes, Time has three infinitely extending angles as axes. However, an infinite angle makes no sense to us Space creatures, who only know of an angle as something that can just go till 180 and then get back to zero. So time as an infinite angle is nothing but an endless repetition of cycles... hours and hours of them.

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