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Doing a search of the term "photon" at the LLResearch site lead to several passages regarding photons, light and their nature based on the perspective of Ra, Quo et al. Some of these may be relevant as a topic for LoO Science and as further research for those who will continue their growth and learning through 4th Density.

This first excerpt suggests how important connecting with the sun will be in 4th Density.

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You wish to investigate further into the sun-body which we shall call “sun,” as that is your appellation for it. And indeed, you may well find this sun-body to be provocative and interesting, for it quite obviously and literally is the light of the world. All that each of you thinks of as a life within the Earth plane thrives because of the sun, its radiant warmth, and the energies which it and its co-entities in creation have upon the world as seen, as you would say, and indeed upon each of you.

Let us move to the beginning where there is only intelligent energy created by free will, which creates unpotentiated love, which in turn, it being the first articulation of singular characteristic, out of this singular characteristic, creates one thing—the photon.

This photon is timeless and spaceless. It is unity and infinity. It does not have number. It is solid, that is, in its estate as light limitless, it is solid. All that there is, dwells in (inaudible) of that one original Thought. And at the level of this one great original Thought there is, eternally, the endless creation of light or what you call the photon.
The term photon as used here appears to have an existence and meaning that precedes the RS2 photon....more abstract and metaphysical and in the realm of pure consciousness. The next excerpt suggests the difference between them.
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We refrain from calling the first emanation of the sun-body light, for we wish to distinguish between the timeless, spaceless light which is limitless and a child of this light which is radiation of the light as you experience it upon your level of existence and as others experience it in theirs.
Notice the type of light that precedes time and space and then the product of this light which appears to be the physical photon and other primary particles.
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At the photon level, light is all that there is. This limitless light is the background created by Love before any articulated creation made from Light. This Light Everlasting, shall be as always, infinitely creating in an infinite and eternal present. At this level, light is a thought. That is, it is a perfect creation of a thought. It does not contain error but is a creature of utter Love containing the infinite intelligence without distortion.
Here the term "motion" may be likened to light based on the background connotation but perhaps not necessarily having to do with just space and time exclusively. Perhaps a more general term than motion needs to be used and with other reciprocally related entities other than space and time. Reciprocity may apply to other forms of consciousness.
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Within the context of third-density lessons of love, this plane of light has little substance in reference to questions of moving from third to fourth density, learning the lessons of love. It is to the light which interests your peoples as an ideal is to a philosopher. Yet this is the environment, shall we say, within which the infinite Creator has being. This is for that mystery which is the Creator.
Does this suggest the next 4th Density lessons of seeking the light of wisdom?
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The way entities seeking to love the one Creator may visualize moving into the highest of all tabernacles, pure, limitless light, there is this place where light is still, for it completely fills all that there is. At this zero time/space intersection, there is the seed of all infinity and all eternity.

Once free will begins to operate and that great Logos begins its creation, the interest of seekers in investigating light often moves toward that radiation from the sun. Each already realizes that we have said before that the light which seems to radiate from your sun-body is that which has builded all that you see. All things are made of light—this instrument, the microphone which this instrument has about its neck, the clothes, the furniture, the Earth, the sky. These things all are created of light.
Here RS2 motion concepts appear to apply and radiation can also refer to electrons, positrons and other subparticles.
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The characteristic of light to your plane is such that entities cannot see or often imagine how literally all things are made of light. This is in part due to the fact that the functions of light operating within your density cause the formations to lack obvious resemblance to that which is light. The operation of light and building structures is such that light appears as magnetism or electromagnetism or fields. We apologize for this instrument’s lack of proper vocabulary.
This again emphasizes the RS2 conceptual system in 3rd Density.
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Thus, when the intelligent light creates, it does indeed use light. However, this is seen as form, color, shading, size—characteristics measurable, visible and so forth. The objects are seen that they are in the way they are, that is, that they have the shape and form they have, [which] is known to be the result of each object having a field of energy that somehow keeps all together. In investigating questions concerning the use of alternative ways of healing, this point is well to remember.
Here a distinction between intelligent light and physical light which suggests the abstract, pure conscious template/thought forming level of light. But can there be a way to formalize this intelligent light in terms of RS2?Quote:
A characteristic of light, which is indicative of the range of its metaphysical characteristics, is that light is inherently intelligent and, therefore, any amount of infinite light can grasp, as though it were an entity, the heartfelt communications made to it. This ranges from something as simple as the sun-body being aware when the radiation of the sun touches your skin and you praise the light and the love of the infinite One. You have communicated with the infinite Creator.
Here the intelligent and sub-logos nature of the photon indicates that in the 4th Density environment direct stellar contact and communication will be readily available (4D astrology?)....so perhaps the nonlocality phenomena of RS2 and LoO Science will be better understood and applied.
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Entities who have followed sun worshipping practices have been known among your peoples for all of your history, the reason being that there is indeed that opportunity to converse with the, shall we say, as this instrument does, Lord of Light. And these conversations uplift the entity within. Again, when an entity goes into meditation and calls for the limitless light, and then remains in that light, basking in its glow, that entity is tabernacling with the one infinite Creator.
A nice way for Quo to end their session and suggests how the more harmonious and telempathic 4th D folks will work with light...maybe along the lines of the Mayans and other related groups? Applying the knowledge of RS2 may provide structure and stability for those new to 4th D and be one of the tools for the SMC's transition from 4th to 5th D. Does anyone have any specific ideas of how RS2 and LoO Science will be applied for those who will begin 4th D?
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Great post, Mike. Lots of good info.

MikeWirth wrote:
This first excerpt suggests how important connecting with the sun will be in 4th Density.
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This photon is timeless and spaceless. It is unity and infinity. It does not have number. It is solid, that is, in its estate as light limitless, it is solid. All that there is, dwells in (inaudible) of that one original Thought. And at the level of this one great original Thought there is, eternally, the endless creation of light or what you call the photon.
The term photon as used here appears to have an existence and meaning that precedes the RS2 photon....more abstract and metaphysical and in the realm of pure consciousness. The next excerpt suggests the difference between them.
"Timeless and spaceless" -- existing outside the aspects of time and space, which I would interpret as the projective stratum of geometry, existing only as Ratio without reference. "Not having number" makes perfect sense, because in the projective stratum, there is NO reference system to make a measurement from.

"It is solid" -- very interesting... knowing that Ra likes to choose his words from medieval Latin (and "photon" is Greek to me), I did some checking into the etymology of the word "solid" -- composed of two ideographic components, "sol" and "id".

Sol, of course, has the common meaning of "sun". In the Ancient times, it also refers to the "Sun God", what the Ra Material refers to as the solar logos.

Id is a term from psychology, representing an unconscious aspect of the psyche.

If we make a conceptual connection between psychology and physics, we find that "conscious" refers to the spatially "local" aspect, and "unconscious" refers to "non-local" (distributed in space, typically as a wavefunction).

So Ra would choose the word "solid" because of its conceptual meaning as "sol-id", which refers to the unconscious aspect of the solar Logos.

The sun, "local" as a spatial body, and the "sol-id" (light), "non-local", distributed in space as waves. The basic wave/particle duality we see with photons on a macro scale.

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We refrain from calling the first emanation of the sun-body light, for we wish to distinguish between the timeless, spaceless light which is limitless and a child of this light which is radiation of the light as you experience it upon your level of existence and as others experience it in theirs.
Notice the type of light that precedes time and space and then the product of this light which appears to be the physical photon and other primary particles.
The "radiation" of light requires a reference system to measure its "radiance" from -- the light we measure must therefore exist in a geometry that has at least a relative reference system, which occurs at the Affine stratum.

It appears that Ra is just using colorful terms for the basic concepts: "sun-body light" for the "scalar motion" of light, with it's children being the projection upon the affine, metric and Euclidean geometric strata. Makes a lot of sense.

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At the photon level, light is all that there is. This limitless light is the background created by Love before any articulated creation made from Light. This Light Everlasting, shall be as always, infinitely creating in an infinite and eternal present. At this level, light is a thought. That is, it is a perfect creation of a thought. It does not contain error but is a creature of utter Love containing the infinite intelligence without distortion.
Here the term "motion" may be likened to light based on the background connotation but perhaps not necessarily having to do with just space and time exclusively. Perhaps a more general term than motion needs to be used and with other reciprocally related entities other than space and time. Reciprocity may apply to other forms of consciousness.
That is what I posted concerning the derivation of scalar motion from the cross-ratio. Ra is referring to the first projective invariant -- the cross-ratio in the projective stratum of geometry. No system of measurement, other than itself. There is only unity (itself) or infinity (everything else).

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MikeWirth wrote:
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Within the context of third-density lessons of love, this plane of light has little substance in reference to questions of moving from third to fourth density, learning the lessons of love. It is to the light which interests your peoples as an ideal is to a philosopher. Yet this is the environment, shall we say, within which the infinite Creator has being. This is for that mystery which is the Creator.
Does this suggest the next 4th Density lessons of seeking the light of wisdom?
The hint I see is that in 3rd density we have space(yang)/time(yin), and in 4th density, it becomes light(yang)/love(yin) -- a different type of geometry that light is transformed by, other that the Euclidean one we are accustomed to.

With my current background in projective and synthetic geometry, for me to "seek the light" is to see past the illusions created by the assumptions these geometric strata impose upon my senses.

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The way entities seeking to love the one Creator may visualize moving into the highest of all tabernacles, pure, limitless light, there is this place where light is still, for it completely fills all that there is. At this zero time/space intersection, there is the seed of all infinity and all eternity.
When I first try to explain the RS to someone, I state, "imagine if 'light' were still, and everything else was moving..." It's a mind-blower, but is the viewpoint of the natural reference system -- where everything is "still" and every nexus is a point of light.

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Ra wrote:
Once free will begins to operate and that great Logos begins its creation, the interest of seekers in investigating light often moves toward that radiation from the sun. Each already realizes that we have said before that the light which seems to radiate from your sun-body is that which has builded all that you see. All things are made of light—this instrument, the microphone which this instrument has about its neck, the clothes, the furniture, the Earth, the sky. These things all are created of light.
Here RS2 motion concepts appear to apply and radiation can also refer to electrons, positrons and other subparticles.
I think what Ra is trying to say here is that you can see the "Sun" in two different ways -- look up into the sky during the day and see conscious/local aspect of the solar Orb, or look all around you and see the unconscious/nonlocal aspect of the solar Orb at the center of every single particle or atom. No matter which way you go, you are always seeking the "light."

MikeWirth wrote:
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The characteristic of light to your plane is such that entities cannot see or often imagine how literally all things are made of light. This is in part due to the fact that the functions of light operating within your density cause the formations to lack obvious resemblance to that which is light. The operation of light and building structures is such that light appears as magnetism or electromagnetism or fields. We apologize for this instrument’s lack of proper vocabulary.
This again emphasizes the RS2 conceptual system in 3rd Density.
The big part of RS2 that differs from Larson's work is the geometric and scalar analysis we have been using that allows us to examine the 1st, 2nd and 3rd density projections, then back-calculate it to the origins in Intelligent Infinity. Once we know HOW the projection works, and have validated it thru the first 3 densities, a viable model can be constructed to view its 4th density projection. (That will be there really interesting bit).

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Thus, when the intelligent light creates, it does indeed use light. However, this is seen as form, color, shading, size—characteristics measurable, visible and so forth. The objects are seen that they are in the way they are, that is, that they have the shape and form they have, [which] is known to be the result of each object having a field of energy that somehow keeps all together. In investigating questions concerning the use of alternative ways of healing, this point is well to remember.
Here a distinction between intelligent light and physical light which suggests the abstract, pure conscious template/thought forming level of light. But can there be a way to formalize this intelligent light in terms of RS2?
I believe so... once the concept of "intelligent", as Ra uses the term, is fully understood.

What DO the terms, "intelligent infinity", "intelligent energy", "intelligent light" (and from those of the South American group, "intelligent unity") actually mean? What is this adjective "intelligent" refer to, as Ra uses it, conceptually?

"Intelligent" is derived from the Latin "intellegentia", which means "the capacity to understand THRU PERCEPTION". "Understand", in its medieval root, means "to give life to; animate (also "animo", from which we derive "anima" -- the soul).

Something that is ANIMATED is PUT INTO MOTION (see where this is going?) Intelligence, in the best understanding I have to date, is the whatever-it-is that causes a displacement from Unity, resulting in MOTION, which results in MANIFESTATION, which is PERCEIVED by our minds as Understanding.

From that, my "understanding" is:

* Intelligent Infinity: the unknown becomes known (manifest).

* Intelligent Unity: Motion in the Natural Reference System (unit motion).

* Intelligent Light: Cross-ratio; generic motion -- a quanta of Intelligent Infinity.

* Intelligent Energy: The inverse (non-local) aspect of Intelligent Light.

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Does anyone have any specific ideas of how RS2 and LoO Science will be applied for those who will begin 4th D?
In my experience, the same patterns repeat over and over, just the scale or number of components change. I don't believe anyone starting with 4D will be any more intelligent than they were when they left 3D, so the same challenges will be faced, and the work to understand the Solar Logos as a "sol-id" within RS2 will continue.

Just as an generic aside, from what I've read in the Ra material, 4th density does not bring instant enlightenment or universal knowledge to anyone -- it is just a continuation of the journey, like moving to a different continent. New challenges to be overcome, new places to explore... but you only take with you what you've learned so far. Take a look at Session 11, for example. Genghis Kahn, a former 3rd density bigshot, is now a 4th density shipping clerk. Sounds like an exciting life!
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Some great "crystalline" commentary here Bruce...much of it resonates as "sol-id" which you, in turn, seem to be in resonance with.

I looked up "solid" on an online source for english to latin and here's

their take:

solidus (soldus) -a -um [dense , solid; whole, complete, entire; firm, enduring, real]

these descriptives can supplement your incisive interpretation to help round out the meaning.

Some other quick thoughts regarding your comparative relationship for yang/yin....space/time....light/love...

I recall from Ra that its mentioned that essentially "love creates light" where "creates" may be too strong of a term...maybe "co-creates or co-emerges with". By analogy lets try saying the same for the others ie...

"yin creates yang"

"time creates space" (this even feels valid the more one thinks about it)

other yin-yang relationships...

"potential creates kinetic"

"female creates male"

"learner creates teacher"

"chaos creates order"

"self-service creates other-service"

Another thought is this.

Reciprocal is defined as....reciproco -are [to move backwards and forwards]; 'animam' , [to breathe]

this correlates to your "intelligent" term, also reciprocity and/or reciprocation represents interchange, equal return, "the strictly proper term for duality" where, as one example, the duality principle, in mathematics, is applied to projective geometry.

Also when "displacement" is used in RST, we see Ra use "distortion" and

I also see the term "shift" (physical and metaphysical connotation ie feelings shift) as a useful term.

Regarding intelligent infinity.

Ra mentions that faith is equal to the infinite path and mentions the "congruency of faith and intelligent infinity" (book 1 ~p70) and also "purity [leads to] one with intelligent infinity" where one definition of purity can be, "a quantitative assessment of homogeneity or uniformity" or essentially free of distortion as with a pure color.

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MikeWirth wrote:
Some other quick thoughts regarding your comparative relationship for yang/yin....space/time....light/love...

I recall from Ra that its mentioned that essentially "love creates light" where "creates" may be too strong of a term...maybe "co-creates or co-emerges with". By analogy lets try saying the same for the others ie...

"yin creates yang"

"time creates space" (this even feels valid the more one thinks about it)
Larson did an interesting descriptive passage about motion and its aspects (I think it was on the video). It went something like this:

Motion is a container. Any time you have a container, you have and inside and outside. If you have an inside and outside, then you must have a container. The same holds true for space and time. Motion is the container, with space on the outside and time on the inside. If you have motion, you have space and time. If you have space and time, you must have motion. They are inseparable. Motion is what we perceive to be manifest.

But, if you are in the Cosmic sector of time/space, then "motion" has time on the outside, and space on the inside.

You've often read where Ra refers to teach/learn, learn/teach -- both sides of the dichotomy. It is totally a matter of perspective on who is the teacher and who is the learner. In the container of conversation, I teach, you learn, you teach, I learn. The aspects, like space and time, are totally dependent upon who is doing the talking.

MikeWirth wrote:
Reciprocal is defined as....reciproco -are [to move backwards and forwards]; 'animam' , [to breathe]
I had forgotten about that. Reciprocity is quite literally the "breathe of life".

MikeWirth wrote:
this correlates to your "intelligent" term, also reciprocity and/or reciprocation represents interchange, equal return, "the strictly proper term for duality" where, as one example, the duality principle, in mathematics, is applied to projective geometry.
One of the interesting things that Nehru discovered was that space/time (Material) and time/space (Cosmic) are not truely reciprocals of each other -- they are actually conjugates, which means "to join together as One." Reciprocal aspects, conjugated together.

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Also when "displacement" is used in RST, we see Ra use "distortion" and I also see the term "shift" (physical and metaphysical connotation ie feelings shift) as a useful term.
I also noticed that there is a close correlation between Larson's "displacement" and Ra's "distortion." I actually think "distortion" is more appropriate, because it removes the linearity associated with displacement, and can apply equally to all strata of geometry.

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Regarding intelligent infinity.

Ra mentions that faith is equal to the infinite path and mentions the "congruency of faith and intelligent infinity" (book 1 ~p70) and also "purity [leads to] one with intelligent infinity" where one definition of purity can be, "a quantitative assessment of homogeneity or uniformity" or essentially free of distortion as with a pure color.
As I understand it, that is the point where things are put into balance -- equal portions. And the more components the balance, the more complex the juggling act -- but also, the more flexibility of creation, for things are created when they are "distorted" from the balance of Unity.
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