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Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by bperet » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:29 pm

From Dave Halprin, Trustee:
From: "Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team" <info-en@wikimedia.org>
To: "Dave Halprin"
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ticket#2018101010000606] Dewey Bernard Larson

Dear David Halprin,

The article was deleted as a result of two deletion discussions (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ard_Larson>, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _B._Larson>), the general consensus seeming to be there is not enough published material about him (not by him) to meet our General Notability Criteria (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:GNG>, or in brief <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:42>.

If you feel an incorrect result was reached based on the points raised, you can raise a Deletion Review <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV>.

Yours sincerely,
Matthew Dann
So, if you don't have enough "likes" and "shares," you are not important enough to be remembered by history, nor given a chance to become liked and popular. No wonder our civilization is collapsing.
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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by Djchrismac » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:38 am

I have contacted them to insist they add a page for him and i'm quite prepared to continue pestering them until this happens, i'm up for a fight at the moment...

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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by bperet » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:45 pm

Djchrismac wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:38 am
I have contacted them to insist they add a page for him and i'm quite prepared to continue pestering them until this happens, i'm up for a fight at the moment...
I forwarded David's original email to you with contact info of others that might be interested.
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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by wsitze » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:20 pm

Bruce,
Please forward the email to me as well. I've been contributing to Wikipedia for years, and feel I have a say in this decision.
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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by bperet » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:26 am

wsitze wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:20 pm
Please forward the email to me as well. I've been contributing to Wikipedia for years, and feel I have a say in this decision.
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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by wsitze » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:42 pm

My reply to Wikipedeia:

"I, also, have contributed to Wikipedia, and find it a valuable resource, but in the case at hand, your self appointed article critics have not become acquainted with Dewey Larsen’s work, but have considered only his fame. I will point out that many major advances in science have first been advanced by “outsiders”.

With that in mind, I will confer with my colleagues, among which are PhDs in physics and other sciences, as well as practicing Engineers, about writing an article about Dewey B. Larsen, a Chemical Engineer, that meet with your criteria.

Signed"

Can we get together to create a new article? I can start it to pass among us for editing, suggestions, additions, etc.
We will need names, titles, degrees, etc.
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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by Djchrismac » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:52 am

wsitze wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:42 pm
My reply to Wikipedeia:

"I, also, have contributed to Wikipedia, and find it a valuable resource, but in the case at hand, your self appointed article critics have not become acquainted with Dewey Larsen’s work, but have considered only his fame. I will point out that many major advances in science have first been advanced by “outsiders”.

With that in mind, I will confer with my colleagues, among which are PhDs in physics and other sciences, as well as practicing Engineers, about writing an article about Dewey B. Larsen, a Chemical Engineer, that meet with your criteria.

Signed"

Can we get together to create a new article? I can start it to pass among us for editing, suggestions, additions, etc.
We will need names, titles, degrees, etc.
Nice one wsitze, I tried this a month and a half ago and got nowhere other than having an argument with the person emailing me as I would have to sign up for wiki, then challenge the concensus decision they apparently reached regarding not showing any content for DBL online. It was infuriating and I ended up parking the problem for now. Below is a note of the replies along with what Bruce sent me that was on Larson's wiki page before they removed it, in case this helps:
Hi, you have no wikipedia page for Dewey B. Larson, a well known chemist and physics researcher. Please add this, there is plenty of content online for you to link to and use content from:

http://reciprocal.systems/
http://reciprocalsystem.org/

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Thank you for your email. A deletion discussion in 2011 (see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _B._Larson>) established a community consensus that Dewey B. Larson was not a suitable subject for Wikipedia to cover. If you believe that the issues raised in that discussion can be addressed, you are welcome to challenge the consensus at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review>.
I don't want to have to log in and do someone elses job for them. If you are indeed an encyclopedia as you state you are, then you should cover everything. Dewey B. Larson and the Reciprocal System is well researched and also has related current research known as RS2. Check the links and you will find plenty of people with physics degrees who see this as a valid theory. Please re-open this wikipedia page for Larson, this should not be a discussion. If you do not, then I can only come to the conclusion that you have some form of agenda against information that isn't seen as mainstream which is quite frankly ridiculous. You will find more than enough actual scientific and mathematical information on the links above (and I can provide plenty more) compared to something that is a ridiculous psyop such as the flat earth, easily disproved, yet you have huge pages and articles on the subject, why is this?

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Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information - the existence of something or someone is not sufficient for Wikipedia to have an article on that subject, although many people who are unfamiliar with Wikipedia do not realise that this is the case. The Wikipedia community has long-established criteria for deciding what should and should not be included, and the discussion to which I previously provided a link represented a community decision that Dewey B. Larson did not meet these criteria. This is no comment on Mr Larson's real-life notability, nor on the validity of his work; it is simply a decision that he does not (or did not, at the time of the discussion) meet Wikipedia's requirements for inclusion.
Is there a reason why you can list Dewey B. Larson in the wikipedia natural philosophers pages but not in the main pages?

https://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/inde ... y_B_Larson

He has more books that were published that can be added to this list, along with countless other supporting content and information relating to his research and theories.

It looks like you have a history of taking down the Larson page, adding it back, taking it down again, very suspicious... I found some copies of the original wikipedia content which should make it easy for you to set up a new page with:

Dewey Bernard Larson (November 1, 1898(1898-11-01); McCanna, North Dakota – May 25, 1990 (aged 91); Portland, Oregon) was an American engineer and the originator of the Reciprocal System of physical theory (or Reciprocal System for short), a comprehensive theoretical framework, or Theory of Everything, claimed to be capable of explaining all physical phenomena from subatomic particles to galactic clusters. In this general physical theory space and time are simply the two reciprocal aspects of the sole constituent of the universe – motion. Unique aspects of the theory are that both matter and energy are represented mathematically as greater than or less than unity (t/s or s/t), and three dimensions of time, reciprocals of the three dimensions of space. All physical phenomena are reduced to space-time terms. Larson’s works on theoretical physics include The Structure of the Physical Universe (1959), The Case Against the Nuclear Atom (1963), Beyond Newton (1964), New Light on Space and Time (1965), Quasars and Pulsars (1971), Nothing But Motion (1979), The Neglected Facts of Science (1982), The Universe of Motion (1984), and Basic Properties of Matter (1988). All of these are still in print, and available from Amazon.com, except for the 1959 book.

An introduction and summary of the Reciprocal System is given in The Unmysterious Universe (1971), by Dr. Ronald W. Satz. This work is also still in print and available from Amazon.com. Dr. Satz is currently working on a comprehensive database of Reciprocal System calculations. The philosopher Samuel Alexander asked the question “How far a science of order could be founded on this bare conception of ordered parts of Space-Time I do not know. …” but Larson was inspired to make it his life’s major work to attempt to find out. Larson’s Reciprocal System is the first truly unified theory and the first general theory.

From just two general postulates, Larson has derived an all-embracing theoretical universe, answering simply and reasonably such questions as:

What is the fundamental component of the universe?

Why is the universe expanding?

Why does light behave sometimes as a particle and sometimes as a wave?

How do electrons and positrons annihilate one another to produce photons?

What holds the “parts” of an atom together?

What is the origin and nature of gravitation?

What is the origin of supernovae, white dwarfs, red giants, pulsars, and solar systems?

What is the connection between exploding galaxies and quasars?

What is the origin of the cosmic rays?

Is the universe finite or infinite?

Is the universe in a steady-state, or is it evolving?

The Reciprocal System is in competition with the “standard particle model” of conventional theoretical physics and also with “string theory.” Larson also wrote on economic policy and theory.
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As you can see from this one, plenty of mainstream scientists have supported the Reciprocal System of physical theory:

Dewey Bernard Larson (November 1, 1898; McCanna, North Dakota – May 25, 1990; Portland, Oregon) was an American engineer and the author of numerous books in the realm of physics, astrophysics, metaphysics, and economic science.

Role:

Scientist, Engineer, Author

Books:

The Universe of Motion, Nothing But Motion, The Structure of the Physical Universe, The Case Against the Nuclear Atom, Beyond Newton, New Light on Space and Time, Quasars and Pulsars, Nothing But Motion, Basic Properties of Matter, The Universe of Motion, Beyond Space and Time, The Road to Full Employment, The Road to Permanent Prosperity

Education:

Larson graduated from Oregon State University in the class of 1922 along with his classmate and lifelong acquaintance Linus Pauling and with a major in Engineering Science. As Chief Engineer for a utility company in Portland, Larson was heavily involved with research activity for its chemical products. In the meantime, influenced by the Australian-born philosopher Samuel Alexander and others, he pursued theoretical physics research on his own, seeking a means to calculate the inter-atomic distances of solid state elements from first principles.

Theoretical Work:

In the physical sciences Larson developed what he termed the Reciprocal System of Theory, based on two fundamental postulates on the nature of space and time, claiming to derive the existence of matter, radiation, electricity, magnetism, gravitation etc. directly from the mentioned postulates.

In his books on economics Larson developed what he deemed to be a general theory of economics based on the scientific method. The main thesis of The Road to Full Employment is that unemployment is independent on the size of the labor force, but determined by the value of labor being at least equal to its total cost. In The Road to Permanent Prosperity the author formulates a number of fundamental principles.

Reception:

Larson’s work is strongly supported by a minority of scientists and engineers, but it has not yet received general acceptance by the scientific community. Among academics, his work was championed and further developed by Dr. K.V.K. Nehru of the Department of Engineering at Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University in Hyderabad, India, along with Dr Vijay Kumar of the Department of Physics at the same institution, as well as by individual researchers, such as Dr. Ronald W. Satz.

Dr. Ronald W. Satz’s Extensions of Larson’s Work:

Satz’s first book on the theory was The Unmysterious Universe, published in 1971. Recent software packages in the theory are also by Satz, The Reciprocal System: Microcosmos Database, 2014, the world’s first computational theoretical database for the properties of matter, and The Reciprocal System: Macrocosmos Database, for astronomy and astrophysics. In 2017 Satz published a new software eBook Existents and Interactions: A Computational Treatise of the Reciprocal System–The True Theory of Everything. This consists of two files: a PDF file containing 1711 pages and a PPT files containing 1711 slides; thousands of equations and numerous graphs are included in this work. And in 2018, Satz came out with another software package, this time making it easy to apply Larson’s economic theory, Optimal Economist: An Implementation of Larsonian Econophysics. All of Satz’s works are available at www.amazon.com and www.transpowercorp.com. Satz’s theoretical physics and theoretical economics Web site is reciprocalsystem.guru.

References:

[1] D. Larson, The Structure of the Physical Universe (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1959); Nothing But Motion (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1979). The latter is Volume I of the revised and enlarged The Structure of the Physical Universe.

[2] D. Larson, Basic Properties of Matter (Salt Lake City, UT: International Society of Unified Science, 1988). This is Volume II of the revised and enlarged The Structure of the Physical Universe.

[3] D. Larson, The Universe of Motion (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1984). This is Volume III of the revised and enlarged The Structure of the Physical Universe.

[4] D. Larson, The Case Against the Nuclear Atom (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1963).

[5] D. Larson, Beyond Newton: An Explanation of Gravitation (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1964).

[6] D. Larson, New Light on Space and Time (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1965).

[7] D. Larson, Quasars and Pulsars (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1971).

[8] D. Larson, The Neglected Facts of Science (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1982).

[9] D. Larson, Beyond Space and Time (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 1995).

[10] D. Larson, The Road to Full Employment (Salt Lake City, UT: International Society of Unified Science, 1976).

[11] D. Larson, The Road to Permanent Prosperity (Portland, OR: North Pacific Publishers, 2008).

[12] R. Satz, The Unmysterious Universe (Troy, NY: The New Science Advocates, 1971). (The New Science Advocates was the original name of the International Society of Unified Science.)

[13] R. Satz, Existents and Interactions: A Computational Treatise of the Reciprocal System—The True Theory of Everything (Penndel, PA: Transpower Corporation, 2017).

[14] R. Satz, The Reciprocal System: Microcosmos Database (Penndel, PA: Transpower Corporation, 2014).

[15] R. Satz, The Reciprocal System: Macrocosmos Database (Penndel, PA: Transpower Corporation, 2018).

[16] R. Satz, Optimal Economist: An Implementation of Larsonian Econophysics (Penndel, PA: Transpower Corporation, 2018).

[17] Marquis Who’s Who awarded Dr. Ronald W. Satz its Lifetime Achievement Award in 2018.

[18] R. Heinberg, “The Smartest Person I’ve Met,” Museletter, No. 183, July 2007. “The books, lectures, and articles that Dewey Larson left behind offer exhilarating food for thought even for readers with modest scientific training. His writings challenge us to think critically and not take anything for granted.”

[19] I. Asimov, “Review of The Case Against the Nuclear Atom,” Chemical and Engineering News, July 29, 1963. “As an iconoclastic work, Larson’s book is refreshing. The scientific community requires stirring up now and then; cherished assumptions must be questioned and the foundations of science must be strenuously inspected for possible cracks. It is not a popular service and Mr. Larson will probably not be thanked for doing this for nuclear physics, though he does it in a reasonably quiet and tolerant manner and with a display of a good knowledge of the field.”

[20] R. Redin, Department of Physics, South Dakota School of Mines and Technology, “Review of The Case Against the Nuclear Atom,” Chemical Engineering, July 22, 1963. “Mr. Larson shows himself to be well-informed on the current status of physics research and there is very little in the book that is factually wrong.”

[21] Discovery Magazine, “Review of The Case Against the Nuclear Atom July 1963.” “To all of us, steeped in the unquestioning adoration of the contemporary scientific method, this is rude and outspoken book, which sometimes hurts. The frightening thing about it is that it rings true.”

[22] F. Schmeidler, Munich University Observatory, “Review of New Light on Space and Time,” Naturwissenschaftliche Rundshau, September 1966. “Only a careful investigation of all of the author’s deliberations can show whether or not he is right. The official schools of natural philosophy should not shun this (considerable, to be sure) effort. After all, we are concerned here with questions of fundamental significance. Still less will it be permissible to condemn the author as a heretic just because he opposes the ‘accepted’ doctrines of modern physics. Opposition is illegitimate only if essential error is proved …Whether an unbiased investigation of the author’s theses would lead to confirmation or rejection is not for the reviewer to say in advance; the question is too complicated to be decided briefly.”

[23] H. Wuenscher, former Assistant Director for Advanced Projects, Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA, letter to the then-current Director, November 1, 1979, reprinted in Reciprocity, Spring 1981. “I have never before seen anybody with such an independent and absolute logic.”

[24] J. Dalton, Amazon Review of The Unmysterious Universe, March 24, 2014. “Ron Satz has written the best popular scientific book I have ever read. Every page is packed with jewels glistening with an incredible new and beautiful understanding of the universe. His book presents a brilliant summary of the Larson Reciprocal Theory in layman’s terms which are clear, concise and cogent. He has done a great service to humanity and the book should be required reading in every high school and university.”
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https://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/ is not a Wikimedia project and is not affiliated with Wikipedia; they are free to list whatever content they wish.
Thanks for the update, so what is the best way to go about having the page for DBL added again? I have been in touch with several professional and reputable people that knew him and can vouch for his status as a serious academic along with his vast body of research work. It turns out they have been trying to get his page re-established for some time now so it would be good to know the exact reasons why the editors decided to remove it, as based on their reasoning, you should then also remove a whole lot of other pages from wikipedia.

Do I have to create an account with you in order to add the page again? Do you have contact details for any of the editorial board that I can get in touch with to challenge their preposterous decision?

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As previously explained, Wikipedia has no editorial board, all decisions regarding content are taken by the Wikipedia community.

As previously explained, the reasons for deletion were established in the discussion at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _B._Larson>

As previously explained, this decision can be challenged at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV>. You do not need to have an account to post at the Deletion Review board, although your arguments may be accorded more weight if they come from an account.
Hopefully it will be easier for you being an existing contributor to wiki pages, let me know if I can do anything else to help?

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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by bperet » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:24 am

Just a clarification, as Secretary of ISUS for many years I inform you that Ronald Satz was removed from the Board of Directors in 2009 and currently has no standing in the organization, other than "member." He is NOT the "chair" nor holds any office or directorship.

Also, the paperwork on file with the State of Utah shows that ISUS was founded by Frank H. Meyer and Rainer F. Huck, not Satz.

ISUS currently holds publication rights to all of Larson's works and is the only organization authorized by the Larson family to promote his research.
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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by Djchrismac » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:52 am

bperet wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:24 am
Just a clarification, as Secretary of ISUS for many years I inform you that Ronald Satz was removed from the Board of Directors in 2009 and currently has no standing in the organization, other than "member." He is NOT the "chair" nor holds any office or directorship.

Also, the paperwork on file with the State of Utah shows that ISUS was founded by Frank H. Meyer and Rainer F. Huck, not Satz.

ISUS currently holds publication rights to all of Larson's works and is the only organization authorized by the Larson family to promote his research.
That was what was previously on the wiki and had been posted on here, i've removed the mention of Satz as chair. There should really be a larger paragraph after this about the RS2 extension of the Reciprocal System by Dr. Bruce Peret... anyway what I posted should help wsitze to show the wiki bawbags that this was content they had online previously and there is no reason to remove it other than foul play.

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Re: Dewey Larson removed from Wikipedia--AGAIN

Post by bperet » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:56 am

Djchrismac wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:52 am
That was what was previously on the wiki and had been posted on here, i've removed the mention of Satz as chair. There should really be a larger paragraph after this about the RS2 extension of the Reciprocal System by Dr. Bruce Peret... anyway what I posted should help wsitze to show the wiki bawbags that this was content they had online previously and there is no reason to remove it other than foul play.
Yeah, nobody bothers to check facts these days. The Board of Directors is on the State of Utah business listing as well as the websites, but most people are still surfing to the wrong website, the .com instead of .org, thanks to David Wilcock getting it wrong on his first Gaim video. Since that site hasn't been updated in 20 years, all the Board and officer information is wrong.

Why don't you and wsitze update the reciprocalsystem.org biography on Larson, which you could use as a template for a Wiki post. That way, at least it will be out there in the search engines, someplace.

I think it was way back in 1996 when Doug and I put out a Wiki page on Larson and the Reciprocal System... didn't last long, and that was well before all the political nonsense that goes on now.

Perhaps when you get the bio flushed out, you should hit other Wiki's, like Peswiki and the alternatives to Wikipedia?
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