Re: Meeting a Terrific Challenge
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:58 pm
Hi Bruce,
Thanks again for your input. Thanks for sharing your take on the LST's Higgs boson in your 2012 post, which you link to above. I was out of the country at that point in time and not engaged in the LRC's theoretical development, though I heard the hoopla about it, even in Puerto Rico.
Your point about the spin 0 of the standard model Higgs boson is interesting. I made the comment that I was "tempted" to compare the RST's unit space/time progression to their concept of the Higgs, but actually, it's not even remotely possible, because the LST's theory of the standard model differs so fundamentally from the LRC's theory that any such comparison is pretty much impossible.
The LST community's theory of the standard model is posited to explain the relationships and properties of the model's content, but the content of the standard model is based on observation, on empirical data. My point is that, had Larson arrived at the same content and structure of the model, before the LST community did, it would have been tantamount to the "crucial experiment" that we've long talked about.
It's too late now, of course, but it's an interesting thought. Still, I think we can learn a lot from studying their theory, in spite of the huge differences in the foundations. It's unfortunate that their theory is a field theory, and that they explain the contents of the standard model as simply different excitations of those fields, including the Higgs field.
I don't think I could ever brook the notion that reality is founded in such an ad hoc fashion, after coming down from the world of awesome beauty and exhilaration, which Larson introduced us to, with his reciprocal system.
There's just no comparison. However, the fact that Larson developed his RSt the way he did, did not lead him to the observed contents of the standard model, but to his own model, with some unobserved contents.
Now, I have to qualify that, because the quarks and gluons of the LST's standard model are not directly observed either, but the existence of the quarks can be deduced from the LRC's RST-based theory. Not only that, but the division of the standard model's entities into two classes, fermions and bosons, by their peculiar properties, is easily shown, and we also can show why there are three sets, or families, of each, and no more.
There is more, but suffice it to say that the reason the LST theory needs the Higgs field is because each of the standard model entities has to have the property of quantum spin, integer spin for bosons and half-integer spin for fermions. Now, I'm not sure, but since the Higgs can decay into two photons, I would think that at least their helicities would be opposite, reflecting the 0 spin of the Higgs, but I have no idea.
What I do know is that the whole idea of their Higgs field giving mass to the particles of the standard model, emerges from the fact that fermions come in two versions - left handed and right handed, and to solve problems that arise as a result, they need the mass of the fermions to come from the Higgs field, not the EM or EW field.
Now, in our theory, we can plainly see that the chirality of the fermions arises from the reciprocity of the standard model contents. Futhermore, thanks to Larson's definition of force, which you alluded to, we don't have a need for autonomous forces such as the electromagnetic, weak and strong forces to explain why the atom has the characteristics it has.
Yet, we've barely scratched the surface. In particular, we are struggling with mass, but perhaps we can learn from your work, in this regard, which is quite impressive.
Thanks again for your input. Thanks for sharing your take on the LST's Higgs boson in your 2012 post, which you link to above. I was out of the country at that point in time and not engaged in the LRC's theoretical development, though I heard the hoopla about it, even in Puerto Rico.
Your point about the spin 0 of the standard model Higgs boson is interesting. I made the comment that I was "tempted" to compare the RST's unit space/time progression to their concept of the Higgs, but actually, it's not even remotely possible, because the LST's theory of the standard model differs so fundamentally from the LRC's theory that any such comparison is pretty much impossible.
The LST community's theory of the standard model is posited to explain the relationships and properties of the model's content, but the content of the standard model is based on observation, on empirical data. My point is that, had Larson arrived at the same content and structure of the model, before the LST community did, it would have been tantamount to the "crucial experiment" that we've long talked about.
It's too late now, of course, but it's an interesting thought. Still, I think we can learn a lot from studying their theory, in spite of the huge differences in the foundations. It's unfortunate that their theory is a field theory, and that they explain the contents of the standard model as simply different excitations of those fields, including the Higgs field.
I don't think I could ever brook the notion that reality is founded in such an ad hoc fashion, after coming down from the world of awesome beauty and exhilaration, which Larson introduced us to, with his reciprocal system.
There's just no comparison. However, the fact that Larson developed his RSt the way he did, did not lead him to the observed contents of the standard model, but to his own model, with some unobserved contents.
Now, I have to qualify that, because the quarks and gluons of the LST's standard model are not directly observed either, but the existence of the quarks can be deduced from the LRC's RST-based theory. Not only that, but the division of the standard model's entities into two classes, fermions and bosons, by their peculiar properties, is easily shown, and we also can show why there are three sets, or families, of each, and no more.
There is more, but suffice it to say that the reason the LST theory needs the Higgs field is because each of the standard model entities has to have the property of quantum spin, integer spin for bosons and half-integer spin for fermions. Now, I'm not sure, but since the Higgs can decay into two photons, I would think that at least their helicities would be opposite, reflecting the 0 spin of the Higgs, but I have no idea.
What I do know is that the whole idea of their Higgs field giving mass to the particles of the standard model, emerges from the fact that fermions come in two versions - left handed and right handed, and to solve problems that arise as a result, they need the mass of the fermions to come from the Higgs field, not the EM or EW field.
Now, in our theory, we can plainly see that the chirality of the fermions arises from the reciprocity of the standard model contents. Futhermore, thanks to Larson's definition of force, which you alluded to, we don't have a need for autonomous forces such as the electromagnetic, weak and strong forces to explain why the atom has the characteristics it has.
Yet, we've barely scratched the surface. In particular, we are struggling with mass, but perhaps we can learn from your work, in this regard, which is quite impressive.