Time-Space, Yin-Yang and Region-Sectors

Discussion concerning the first major re-evaluation of Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System of theory, updated to include counterspace (Etheric spaces), projective geometry, and the non-local aspects of time/space.
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Time-Space, Yin-Yang and Region-Sectors

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Those who have studied a bit of Eastern philosophy can not help but notice the similarity between Larson's concepts of time and space, with the Eastern concepts of yin and yang. Put simply:

Space = Yang (linear, sharp, hot, local, visible, evolutive)

Time = Yin (polar, curved/rotational, cold, nonlocal, invisible, involutive)

In several Chinese kung-fu traditions, the sense of consciousness is considered "yang", so we can only directly perceive that which is "yang" about us. Substitute "space" for yang, and we get the classic, psychological understanding--our physical senses only perceive the spatial geometry of our environment--coordinate time is totally invisible to us. Just as space/space does not constitute motion, neither does yang/yang! We can only "sense" something when we basically run smack into it.

The "spirit" realm, however, is considered yin (temporal). Yang consciousness matched to Yin environment constitutes motion--just like space to time--no "impact" and nothing to reflect back to our senses, hence we see that the spirit realm is invisible to our perception.

Realizing this about the way we perceive our environment has led to some additional conclusions:

Firstly, we are sitting IN the cosmic sector just as much as we are the material sector. The cosmic sector, being time and hence "yin" in nature, allows our yang-space consciousness to look right through it as if it were not even there (yang/yin or space/time constitute motion).

Secondly, the time region, being yin (coordinate time), is also invisible to our perception.

Thirdly, all spatial environments, being yang, are linear in geometry (translational). Temporal environment, being yin, are likewise polar in geometry (rotational). This supports the basic concepts of RS2 with "reciprocal geometry"--linear and polar being geometric inverses.

Fourthly, is that the cosmic sector (coordinate time) and the time region (also coordinate time) are both yin in nature, and since yin/yin does not constitute motion, they cannot be one and the same. I've always been puzzled by the relation of the coordinate time of the atom with the cosmic sector, which seem different, yet connected.

But the concept of yin-yang clarified it... the space of our environment in the material sector is moving linearly outward as a scalar expansion. "Outward" means moving from unity (the natural datum) towards infinity--positive infinity to be precise, since we do not have any negative lengths in our field of perception.

The reciprocal of linear, outward motion in space is a polar, inward motion in time. But... we know that the unit speed ratio, 1/1, says that both the material and cosmic sectors are moving OUTWARD (+1/+1), which is an apparent contradiction. We also know that the yin is involutive, in other words, it wants to "embrace" or "encompass" something into a tight ball... hint here is that the inward motion in time is that visible atomic sphere of the time region, not the cosmic sector.

But we also know from Larson's RS that rotation in the time region is outward--not inward as predicted. Or is it? Consider the case of atomic cohesion to form molecules. Outward, the progression, is defined as "away from unity". Inward, gravitation, is defined as "toward unity". There are TWO departures and approaces for each in that system--depending on where you start and where you are heading:

The "positive" view, to which we are accustomed (+space and +time):

1 ==> +infinity (outward)

1 1 (inward)

-infinity <== 1 (outward)

A more precise definition of the reciprocal of "outward motion in positive space" would be "inward motion in negative time". Inward (-1) in negative time (-t) is the same as outward in positive time (-1 x -t = +t). Hence, the rotational systems of the negative time region appear to be outward in time--just as Larson describes for atomic systems.

Of course, it also means that the "coordinate time" of the time region is composed of NEGATIVE coordinates! The same would hold true for the space region, giving us the following, coordinate relationship:

Material Sector (+Xs, +Ys, +Zs)

Cosmic Sector (+Xt, +Yt, +Zt)

Time Region (-Xt, -Yt, -Zt)

Space Region (-Xs, -Ys, -Zs)

By having positive coordinates for the "sectors" and negative coordinates for the "regions", both coordinate systems co-exist on the same axis, yet remain independent from each other. The regions are the microcosms, and the sectors are the macrocosms of the realm of absolute locations.

Since our perception is only capable of detecting positive space, direct observation of the cosmic sector and both regions is not possible. (That is, unless you develop what the Chinese call "yin eyes"--the ability to see into yin realms--to directly perceive structures in coordinate time. In the West, this is referred to as clairvoyant ability, which was demonstrated by notable people such as Rudolf Steiner and the clairvoyant Theosophists that viewed the internal structure of the atom).
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Inverting

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We can only "sense" something when we basically run smack into it.
So that would mean that ALL forms of sensation are basically the way we perceive a unit boundary... of yin/yin or yang/yang? Or probably sensation just IS, we do not "sense". All that actually happens is a recognition of the boundary by a consciousness.

Being in the material sector, we would locally "sense" the material sector, of course. We should also be able to sense the Space Region. But since the sensation is NEGATIVE based, i.e. it is a relation +s/-s, that would mean that the Space Region would be viewed as a reduction in the magnitude of POSITIVE space, as it has no other direct representation in this sector. As far as uncharged electrons go, this seems to tie in properly with the concept of a hole. But how do we perceive a space region motion with only negative coordinates? The "-infinity" is with respect to what quantity... linear geometry-wise? Is this the Astral World?

We can sense the structures in coordinate time in two ways in that case: one of the Time Region and the other of the Cosmic Sector. Are the eyes with which one perceives the two same? If so, how different would the Cosmic Sector look, as compared to the Time Region? Is it a structure and function dichotomy, because of which one can perceive the structure of Time Region, but only the functions of the Cosmic Sector?

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Material Sector (+X[sub]s[/sub], +Y[sub]s[/sub], +Z[sub]s[/sub])

Cosmic Sector (+X[sub]t[/sub], +Y[sub]t[/sub], +Z[sub]t[/sub])

Time Region (-X[sub]t[/sub], -Y[sub]t[/sub], -Z[sub]t[/sub])

Space Region (-X[sub]s[/sub], -Y[sub]s[/sub], -Z[sub]s[/sub])
I guess I am getting a bit muddled up with the various kind of inverses. Let me put them down again:

1. Multiplicative Inverse: s and 1/s, t and 1/t.

2. Additive inverse: +s and -s, +t and -t.

3. Conjugate inverse: s⇒t and t⇒s.

What you have implied in the post is that in the Time Region, which is the microcosm, has negative time coordinates, or in other words has the additive inverse. There is also the scaling space coordinate, in the form of (-X, -Y, -Z, W) where W is the scaling factor... 1 for the Time Region. So, in effect, the NET effect of the time region coordinates would be sensed in positive space via the multiplicative inverse? Or is the multiplicative inverse independent of the additive inverse? As we have to use the complex number, which has both the additive and multiplicative inverses common, maybe the two measurements ARE the same.

There is another point: Linear/Polar. When we cross from Material to Cosmic Sector, linear becomes polar. Similarly, when we cross from the Material Sector to the Time Region, linear becomes polar. What would happen if we cross from the material sector, to the Space Region... in turn crossing two unit boundaries?
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Yang/Yang and Yin/Yin relationships

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So that would mean that ALL forms of sensation are basically the way we perceive a unit boundary... of yin/yin or yang/yang? Or probably sensation just IS, we do not "sense". All that actually happens is a recognition of the boundary by a consciousness.

It comes down to the basis of the irrational valuing system (valuing is a Level 2/biologic function). Using Carl Jung's typology:
  • yang/yang = sensation
  • yin/yin = intuition
Consciousness can recognize an "impact" from either space or time. Thinking evaluates the sensation and Feeling evaluates the intuition. We are just taught to ignore the yin/yin side of things.

Being in the material sector, we would locally "sense" the material sector, of course. We should also be able to sense the Space Region.

We do sense the space region, but not as something physical... in RS2, electrons are cosmic positrons--a space region, not a time region--particle. The uncharged electron easily passes through the time of the atoms of our body, but does induce a sensation of electric current when in sufficient quantity (localized in space). Since most of the cosmic sector is non-local and widely distributed, it is likely that there is insufficient concentration of space regions passing through us at any one moment to be detected by consciousness. Unless, of course, you have what the Chinese call "Yin eyes", and can perceive the temporal coordinate realm.

But since the sensation is NEGATIVE based, i.e. it is a relation +s/-s, that would mean that the Space Region would be viewed as a reduction in the magnitude of POSITIVE space, as it has no other direct representation in this sector. As far as uncharged electrons go, this seems to tie in properly with the concept of a hole.

Yes, I agree. Negative space would be perceived as an "electron hole" or "black hole" on a larger scale. It may be that black holes DO exist in the Universe, if a concentration of cosmic matter were to localize in the material sector. Kind of like a "cosmic sun", except everything would be inverse--extremely cold instead of extremely hot, very small instead of very large, and emitting in the Cosmic ray/X-ray band instead of visible light/radio. Larson predicts this in UOM as the result of the imploding core of a supernova--a black sun, which eventually heats up, expands to a brown dwarf, then a white dwarf, then moves towards the main sequence.

But how do we perceive a space region motion with only negative coordinates? The "-infinity" is with respect to what quantity... linear geometry-wise? Is this the Astral World?

It would depend on how you define "Astral", as there are many interpretations. As a realm of archetypes or molds (akin to the 3rd world in Theosophy), I could definitely see that, since the inverse of a "vacuum in space" is a "solid of time", and rather than building things up from nothing, you would etch them out of everything.

The further thought occurs to me that the "negative space" and "negative time" realms have two regions to them--within the unit boundary and without. Nehru's determination of the two zone in the atom, the atomic zone and the nuclear zone, may be related to that negative, unit boundary.

We can sense the structures in coordinate time in two ways in that case: one of the Time Region and the other of the Cosmic Sector. Are the eyes with which one perceives the two same? If so, how different would the Cosmic Sector look, as compared to the Time Region? Is it a structure and function dichotomy, because of which one can perceive the structure of Time Region, but only the functions of the Cosmic Sector?

Eyes pick up the photons that interact with the atoms. You would need to buy some of those X-ray glasses to see into the cosmic side. Only problem is, is that it will appear totally random, since time has no direction in space.

If you look back in history, we figured out the elements (time region motions) by their FUNCTIONS, not their structure--primarily chemical interactions. It was how elements related to each other that gave us the data to create a model of their structure. It has never actually been observed by science. (However, Theosophists have used clairvoyant vision--a yin/time function--to see into the time region, and produced structural diagrams of what is there.)
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Crossing Regions and Sectors

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What you have implied in the post is that in the Time Region, which is the microcosm, has negative time coordinates, or in other words has the additive inverse. There is also the scaling space coordinate, in the form of (-X, -Y, -Z, W) where W is the scaling factor... 1 for the Time Region.

The Time Region would be on the -i axis. It is not the additive inverse to space, which is on the +R axis. It would be the negative reciprocal, since the time region is inside unit space and material coordinates are outside it. The second consideration is what the "-1" unit boundary means... is the polarity important to the unit boundary concept?

The scaling factor is how our consciousness interprets the concept of "clock time" or "clock space", by adjusting the coordinate measuring system (scales up or down) to compensate for the unseen aspect of motion. This is not the same as "causality", which is the movement of the absolute locations of the natural reference system due to the progression. Our consciousness normalizes the W to unity for the Euclidean projection of a fixed scale, so absolute distances can be determined (in space or time).

Now you probably know more about this than I, but isn't the idea of "negative time" fairly common in particle physics? I recall Feynman diagrams popularizing on it.

So, in effect, the NET effect of the time region coordinates would be sensed in positive space via the multiplicative inverse? Or is the multiplicative inverse independent of the additive inverse? As we have to use the complex number, which has both the additive and multiplicative inverses common, maybe the two measurements ARE the same.

Because of the yin "growth measure" we perceive in the time region, its effect outside the unit of space--step measure--would be the integral \int \frac{1}{t} dt = ln(t) (for 1 dimension).

There is another point: Linear/Polar. When we cross from Material to Cosmic Sector, linear becomes polar. Similarly, when we cross from the Material Sector to the Time Region, linear becomes polar. What would happen if we cross from the material sector, to the Space Region... in turn crossing two unit boundaries?

You lose something with each crossing. For example, we cannot perceive the Turn (a rotation of infinite angle) of the yin realms directly, so we see it as a 360-degree rotation occuring multiple times--a helix. To get from the material sector to the space region directly means passing through "zero" on the complex plane, and all geometric information is lost, so all you would see is a point of no dimensions. (Of course I could be wrong, but it is my best guess at this time).
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