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Compton Wavelength
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:51 pm
by bperet
While trying to work out some complex expressions for the electron, I noticed that there appear to be TWO natural units of space: first, is Larson's of approximately 45 nanometers which seems to address inter-atomic relationships outside the unit boundary, and the second deals with quantum distances and is on the order of the Compton wavelength, about 2.53 picometers, the difference between the two being approximately 18779:1.
Thanks to Dave's Fine Structure constant research, I noticed this relationship:
λC = Us α2
Where:
λC = Compton wavelength
Us = Larson's Unit Space (~45 nanometers)
α = Fine Structure Constant
Any thoughts on the physical significance of this equation?
Re: Compton Wavelength
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:18 pm
by bperet
bperet wrote:
λC = Us α2Any thoughts on the physical significance of this equation?
A disturbing thought occurs... using unit space in the equation gives the Compton wavelength for the ELECTRON (rotating unit of space), which makes sense, since the electron is ONE rotating unit of space... however, that also infers that Larson's "unit space" is NOT the baseline reference of the spacing of absolute locations of the progression of the natural reference system!
Electrons, being "space", would distort the "unit space" measure, making it larger than it should be by the amount of space contributed by the presence of the spatial, electron rotation. It may, in fact, be the bulk of that measurement.
One can then conclude from the relations indicated in the equations that the RS is based on "electron units", not "natural units"! This may explain the necessity for an "inter-regional ratio."
Re: Compton Wavelength
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:45 pm
by davelook
bperet wrote:
While trying to work out some complex expressions for the electron, I noticed that there appear to be TWO natural units of space: first, is Larson's of approximately 45 nanometers which seems to address inter-atomic relationships outside the unit boundary, and the second deals with quantum distances and is on the order of the Compton wavelength, about 2.53 picometers, the difference between the two being approximately 18779:1.
Thanks to Dave's Fine Structure constant research, I noticed this relationship:
λC = Us α2
Where:
λC = Compton wavelength
Us = Larson's Unit Space (~45 nanometers)
α = Fine Structure Constant
Any thoughts on the physical significance of this equation?
Larson Space X a= Bohr circumference
Larson Space X a
2= Comptom circumference
Larson Space X a
3= Classical electron circumference (which is still used to calculate Thomson scattering. see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_scattering
Compton Wavelength
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:53 pm
by davelook
In this paper
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0609131v1 there is a very interesting derivation of alpha. Using e^2/4pi = 137.03599..., and solving for e, you get .a number which is very close to the solution to 1/x-x=3, or equivalently: x^2+3x-1=0. (x=.30277563773)
Look what you get when 1/x-x=1 and 1/x-x=2. When you graph the function f(x)=(1/x)-x, it is mostly linear until you get less than about 8.
So maybe "=3" has to do with the number of dimensions?
Compton Wavelength
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:31 am
by RMohan
even more interesting if you rewrite e^2/4pi as (e/2)^2pi.
Then it has the same "linear times square term" form as 1/2mv^2,
where one part relates to mass ("pi") and one part to motion squared (e/2).
Just a very idle thought........
davelook (email removed) wrote:
Quote:
In this paper
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0609131v1 there is a very interesting derivation of alpha. Using e^2/4pi = 137.03599..., and solving for e, you get .a number which is very close to the solution to 1/x-x=3, or equivalently: x^2+3x-1=0. (x=.30277563773)
Look what you get when 1/x-x=1 and 1/x-x=2. When you graph the function f(x)=x/1-x, it is mostly linear until you get less than about 8.
So maybe "=3" has to do with the number of dimensions?
Compton Wavelength
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:58 am
by davelook
Ok, I think I finally know WHAT the fine structure constant is: the wavelength/amplitude ratio of the Rydberg fundamental vibration.
Any wave requires 3 pieces of information: Speed of propagation, wavelength/frequency, and AMPLITUDE. Larson space is the distance between nodes, but contains ZERO info about the spacial extent (displacement, or charge) of the deviation from equilibrium. I think this is why charge has units of space (displacement)
Freq/wavelength has to be the only variable, (otherwise E=hf wouldn't work in all cases) and the Amplitude remains constant (e).
Compton Wavelength
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:47 am
by bperet
davelook wrote:
Ok, I think I finally know WHAT the fine structure constant is: the wavelength/amplitude ratio of the Rydberg fundamental vibration.
So wavelength (space) to amplitude (space) would make it a unitless constant. Interesting idea.
davelook wrote:
I think this is why charge has units of space (displacement)
Are you talking about Larson's displacement from unit speed, or displacement current?
Charge has units of energy, t/s.
davelook wrote:
Freq/wavelength has to be the only variable, (otherwise E=hf wouldn't work in all cases) and the Amplitude remains constant (e).
The speed of propagation and phase would also remain constant, since both photons and uncharged electrons are being carried by the progression of the natural reference system.
Compton Wavelength
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:59 pm
by davelook
bperet wrote:
davelook wrote:
I think this is why charge has units of space (displacement)
Are you talking about Larson's displacement from unit speed, or displacement current?
Charge has units of energy, t/s.
What I mean by displacement is exactly the same thing as meant in the equation for energy stored in a spring, E=1/2kx
2, which corresponds the energy in a capacitor, E=1/2Q
2/C. (Spring constant "k" is Force/space t/s
3, and Capacitance is s
3/t, which is why you have to take the reciprocal of it in the second equation.
Hey, I've gotta hit the hay now, but check these out
http://www.europhysicsnews.com/full/26/ ... icle1.html and
http://aps.arxiv.org/pdf/0803.2596
Light seems to be a single pulse, not a frequency!