Effect precedes Cause (Retrocausality)

Discussion concerning the first major re-evaluation of Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System of theory, updated to include counterspace (Etheric spaces), projective geometry, and the non-local aspects of time/space.
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Effect precedes Cause (Retrocausality)

Post by bperet » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:43 pm

Found this interesting article when trying to explain some oddball effects from my last experiment.

Research Shows Effect Precedes Cause (Xiao-song Ma, University of Vienna)
The researchers were to decide whether two particles were entangled and then measure the particles. The trick was, the measurement took place before the decision to entangle or not -and was then accurate. Head scratch anyone? The writer of the study, Xiao-song Ma, comments: “Classical correlations can be decided after they are measured” and apparently entanglement can happen “after the entangled particles have been measured and may no longer exist.”
For RS2, this is positive proof that of the existence of coordinate time--and the "yin" (angular speed, imaginary number) aspect of motion, that Larson did not accept (but Nehru introduced to the RS). There is no way spatial, linear science can address this, without engaging in theoretical deception (like dark matter, black holes, etc)--essentially, they must resort to scientific names for "magick."

What I find more interesting than effect preceding cause, is that it gives the first clues on the actual nature of the psychological "field of consciousness"--which might, literally, be a field effect--but one in time, not in space. This has been a big puzzle for experimenters and researchers for over a century. They knew consciousness (the observer) altered outcomes, but this is the first time there is any indication of a "mechanism" to do it--consciousness is acting like a magnetic field in time, rather than in space.
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Re: Effect precedes Cause (Retrocausality)

Post by bperet » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:31 am

Quantum entanglement deals with the instantaneous communication between two structures that can be separated by any distance. This occurs because the structure of the particles--their rotating systems--are adjacent in time, but at independent locations in space.

Consider the reciprocal... an entanglement where the structure is adjacent in space, but can exist at independent locations in time. We do not notice this, because our senses are design to measure spatial separation, so a rock is just a rock, sliding along the "arrow of clock time" without consideration to the 3-dimensional nature of time.

But when you DO put time back to 3D, interesting things result--to understand, all you have to do is to exchange spatial concepts with the analogous temporal ones.

Distance is what separates spatial locations. Duration is what separates temporal locations. Distance/Duration = speed. Unit distance per unit duration = the progression of the natural reference system (the speed of light in a vacuum).

In spatial quantum entanglement, the connection occurs at any distance. Distance is how we order volume, spatial locations connected in a 3-dimensional framework.

In temporal quantum entanglement, the connection occurs at any duration. Duration is how we order causality, temporal locations connected in a 3-dimensional framework.

What we learn here is that the causality is NOT linear (cause→effect), but analogous to a volume of time, so it has orientation. An analogous concept in space to causality is "near→far". So how can "far" be closer than "near?"

The key to understanding this can be found here: Which Box is Bigger?

As mentioned above, the key to temporal entanglement is to have adjacent structure in space--but Larson states that the material structure is in time, with only a spatial twist to it (spin). So antimatter will exhibit temporal entanglement, and antimatter (cosmic matter) is not stable in the material sector--tends to explode rather violently (as in astronomical gamma ray bursts). BUT... there are a few particles that DO have a rotational structure in space.

Easiest to comprehend is the electron, the "rotating unit of space." Adjacent electrons would exhibit temporal entanglement--but the problem is that electrons progress--want to fly apart from each other at the speed of light, so tough to keep them adjacent. However, if Nehru is correct on his birotating photon model, then you have a coincident electron-positron pair (can't get closer than that)--but they will not entangle, because one is a rotating unit of space and the other a rotating unit of time. UNLESS... this birotation, which looks like a linear vibration, becomes attached to another positron or electron--giving it a charge.

Let's attach the birotation to an uncharged electron, making it a charged electron. The internal structure would be: (e+,e-) the charge, and (e-) the base. The charge is at one location, the base is adjacent. Therefore, the electron portion of the charge will be temporally entangled with the uncharged base electron. They will remain entangled until the the charge gets cast off, as in RF emission.

Making a prediction here, based on RS theory, that charged electrons will be entangled in time--and have the potential for retrocausality.
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Re: Effect precedes Cause (Retrocausality)

Post by duane » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:12 pm

another strange article

so is the secret to "correlate" the particles instead of entangle them?

https://phys.org/news/2017-12-arrow-rel ... olute.html
Experiment shows that arrow of time is a relative concept, not an absolute one

The idea of entangled particles has been in the news a lot lately as researchers around the world attempt to use it for various purposes—but there is another lesser-known property of particles that is similar in nature, but slightly different. It is when particles become correlated, which means they become linked in ways that do not happen in the larger world. Like entanglement, correlated particles share information, though it is not as strong of a bond. In this new experiment, the researchers used this property to change the direction of the arrow of time.
paper
https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.03323
Reversing the thermodynamic arrow of time using quantum correlations
The second law permits the prediction of the direction of natural processes, thus defining a thermodynamic arrow of time. However, standard thermodynamics presupposes the absence of initial correlations between interacting systems. We here experimentally demonstrate the reversal of the arrow of time for two initially quantum correlated spins-1/2, prepared in local thermal states at different temperatures, employing a Nuclear Magnetic Resonance setup. We observe a spontaneous heat flow from the cold to the hot system. This process is enabled by a trade off between correlations and entropy that we quantify with information-theoretical quantities.

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Correlated Particles

Post by bperet » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:59 pm

duane wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:12 pm
so is the secret to "correlate" the particles instead of entangle them?
I have never heard of "correlated particles"... but interesting. Took me a while to figure out what it was, mainly because the people writing the paper don't know what it is--only what it does.

Simply put, correlated particles are "entanglement" inside the unit boundary, rather than outside.

Outside the unit boundary, we can measure the energy and momentum of a particle. When they are entangled, one or both of these values become hooked together, regardless of spatial separation--change the energy of one, the other changes.

Energy=t/s, inverse linear velocity. Momentum=t2/s2, inverse orbital velocity. In RS2, it would just be a complex quantity: EL+iEA (L=linear, A=angular)

These are all measurements outside the unit boundary, since we have to smash the particles into something to get the magnitudes of energy of motion.

But what happens with the inverse... entanglement INSIDE the unit space boundary? Well... what is in there is the magnetic rotating systems, captured uncharged electrons (current, 1D RV), captured charged neutrinos (2D RV), and captured, charged (circular polarization) photons as (heat, LV). Just like energy and momentum on the outside, internal entanglement (correlated) can be with any of these motions--the easiest of which to measure is LV--HEAT. And that is what the paper is based on, and the fact that when correlated, it is acting backwards--heat exchange "flows" the opposite way, because you are on the opposite side of the unit boundary. Perfectly normal behavior for the RS.

But what is not mentioned, and probably not yet known, is that the atomic rotations can be correlated--meaning that if you were to "transmute" one atom to another by change the magnetic rotational speed, ALL the correlated ones would do the same thing, at the same instant. I suspect this is actually observed with "ore streams" underground, where a transmutation event, such as silver 4-3-(7) transmutes to gold 4-4-(7) by a single, magnetic speed increase--and the correlated atoms also transmute, giving you "nuggets" of gold, rather than randomly disbursed atoms of it.

Also, since uncharged electrons move within the time region, electric current is correlated, though I am not sure what effect that would have.

Lastly, charge neutrinos within the time region, what we term, "isotopic mass," will also be correlated--and that one is obvious: chunks of the correlated elements will all have the same isotopic mass--the same "mass"--for a specific region. (If you did not know, they are now altering the Periodic Table to have a range of mass values, rather than a single one, because the mass is slightly different for each element, depending on where you got the rock from.)

These "correlated" systems may prove to be very useful in experimentation, as they give the ability to make large-scale changes with minimum effort. For example, with a correlated bar of silver, all you need to do is to change ONE atom to gold--and the entire bar transmutes. Rather convenient, I think!
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